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[falconier]

thanks for the reply,
First off let me say this, if i sound arrogant or inconsideration i apologize i dont mean to be.
I wont get an apprenticiship because we have one shop in my area and they have no interest in anything of the sorts so thats not an option for me…sry

I agree with everything else…i need help and i know it, thats why im looking for help here as one place while searching other places. my lines need help badly. the work i posted was a second go over as im sure you can see…the trible was just the lineing i didnt shade any of it a second time…I have a long way to go and i know this….any help would be greatly appreciated…of course im gonna be searching for more but another thing worthy of saying is, these were done by of a shitty machine bought from…yup you guessed it…ebay.
I order a couple of machines from hildbrandt and should be here in a couple of days…ty

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nobody got anything for me?….or is it the forums are now dead?

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its prolly my eyes and the pic but it kinda looks like the lines are blow in spots. but its still good for another first

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@Mole_man69 wrote:

When starting the second session can u go straight into shading or do u have to redo the outlines again

I dont see a reason to redo something that should be pretty solid…if you need a touch up prolly so but other then that just shade it

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@Rees wrote:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/scottrees/Facebook/My%20Work/202749_4316134774600_1445256057_o.jpg

Three local shops wanted nothing to do with this, said it was too much work.

Very nice…did you do it yourself or what?

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@jtdaltonsr wrote:

Does anyone know this bit of important information???? When lining, do you hold the machine at a 45 degree angle from the side of the line, or do i hold the machine at a 45 and “push” the machine right over top of the line? i hope u guys understand my question.

push the line at a 45 and if your moving along the side then you’ll want to raise it alittle…if im wrong please correct me because im no expert.

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well…you need to work on your line work and the shading looks alittle “shady” to me :)
not bad thou…better then the first one i done by fare..

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I use fruit and the skin. skin is basically useless i think..i hate the sht , seems its to difficult to use and the fruit, well that just makes you think your a god or something…its that easy.

Skin is good for getting use to your machine while fruit will allow you to get use to the odd shape your gonna be working on like the arms or leg and allows you to work on your lines while in a jacked up position.

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@Jester Ink wrote:

i’ve only shaded 2 of my tats, it isnt really messy to me. the following picture is what i set mine for. i don’t ride the tube tip either, i just (on myself) set my machine for that and go half of that into the skin. my problem is rushing and not getting a first good pass, now i’m slowing down and taking time, less touch ups. for shading i set the same way, just lightly touch the skin and wipe ink off, just to see if its dark enough. i repeat that until i get the correct shade i need.
i ain’t saying “do it this way or that” it’s just the way i do it and seems to work for me.

Thats about 1/16th of an inch hanging out, correct? and yes thats the way mines set up for the most part… well i should say about a nickels worth hanging out as well as a nickel gap between contact screww and front spring…
I have a natical star i lined last night and today i was messing aroung with shading and realized my leg with my star so i started to shade it with a 5RS…big mistake…i think it was set to fast or something but i ate the sht outa the area i was working…i I just stoped…gonna wait till everything is healed good before even thinking about messing with it…lol

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@Jester Ink wrote:

since i posted that pic, recently got new needles (7rl) and did a few touch up areas and colored some in. 2 nights ago i added my 11th self tat, today somehow got it snagged and ripped one of the lines and ripped the ink right out, needless to say, it hurt worse than tatting it. all the chattin on this post is perfectly fine with me, lets us know what works and what doesn’t. I have tried riding the tube, but holy crap, ink comes out and blurs what i’m trying to do, and at $7 a oz can’t really afford to waste even the slightest bit of ink. the whole tattoo machine tinkering, i wouldnt know where to start. Stripped down one of them and filed the contact parts and it ran like a dream afterwards.
Someday when i get time i’ll go through and post up all the tats i’ve done to myself and others (a big no no, but they knew the risk).

I tried riding the tube but like you said its a freaking mess…i hate it i’ve been using just the tip and basically kissing the skin on myself. Im very detailed as instructions go so when someone said kiss the skin..thats what i done…i stretched it good and just lightly touched it…it really didnt work like i thought so i went in just a cunt hair deeper and seemed to work good…ima give it another try for sure…wondering if shading would be the same maybe alittle deeper?

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how long did it take you to do the outline? size needle did you use?

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@alligator eye wrote:

The depth of needle to apply ink is 1mm or less. I would never bury a needle 1/16. Just practice and “kiss” the line w/ tip and be consistent. Can’t give all my secrets…just keep practicing.

HAHAHA!!! In my opinion you just did…ty..benn looking for an answere like that for some time..ty again

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@alligator eye wrote:

Falconier. I am by no means a top level pro, but I been doing it a little while. I hang my needle out, and “ride” the tip. Hard technique to get a hold of, but I can see the needle, where it’s going, and how deep I am going. I can also now “feel” my depth and drag, etccc… Practice. I hate fruit. Nothing compares to real human skin. Keep in mind that diff parts of the body have different layers of fat and muscle. Be careful… I did one on my hand that made me confident to line anywhere.

OK…I like the idea of riding the tip…its allot easier to see what your doing and less messy. I understand that I should be able to fix my screw up once I understand everything.. now, do you , while riding the tip, go in 1/16th of an inch?… i was thinking it is 1/16th riding the tip and 3/32nd riding the tub…im not a fan of putting the tub on the skin because of the mess and the inability to see what your doing. the one i messed up on faded pretty fast and is currently still healing…the lining on it looked decent at one time but seemed to just fade in with the rest and now its almost like i never lned at all…lol. its on right thigh and i also now feel like i just high jacked this thread..sry ill stop

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@lewy26 wrote:

you could be moving to fast or you might not be going deep enough. i set my liner so 1/16th of the needle is out when the armature bar is held down then as im start to line i hold at 45 degree angle i aslo hold the tube with tip of my middle finger instead of like how you would hold a pen to write. hope this helps

When you set your needle the 1/16th …do you ride the tube or float the needle?…im just starting out and messed up on my leg but seems to look good on fruite so im seriously doing something and its at a point were im not messing with nothing untill specific questions are answered…lol

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I actually like it…little rough looking but im thinking it was suppose to be that way…i like

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